my groups widened, and my shots went all over the place, then I checked my gun and found that when I pumped it, the screw adjusting the elevation was loosening. Your valve has dired out from the gun being stored without air in it and this should fix it. Rick is another guy who has been doing this for several decades, and hes very methodical in his work. Ive never heard that before. You charge it to 3,000 psi from a dive cylinder. Ive got one on order right now from PyramydAir. I did read up on the mount you suggested, but it didnt exactly get a 5 star review. Does the .22 gun really put out that much more power!? could i use some household object to push it out? The rifle may be more accurate. The bolt doesnt lock solidly like a firearm bolt does. What you are doing is using a two-point brace. Pyramyd sells the Blue Book and Amazon has Elbes. Does the Williams Sight improve accuracy much better then stock? well my benjamin 392 came in the mail today. Is the buttstock, its terrible! So i assume u dont know why the shadows were recalled, but do u know how i could find out more about it? One other thing, this blog is almost 5 years old and very few people other than a core of volunteers, look at it. This is the best Air Rifle I have ever used. Hope you can offer your likes /dislikes about this rifle. Visiting our advertisers and/or clicking Affiliate Links is the best way you can say thank you to HAM, enabling this magazine to be free to read. What can I do to fix the problem???? Finally, the rifle will not hold air for longer than a few minutes. I should note that for the purpose of this post, I did attempt to also reattach the sight, but I quickly gave up because it seems far more difficult than removing it. I hope that answeres your question. At the risk of having this thread moved to the airgun mods gate , the valve work entails taking the valve apart, shortening the check valve about 1/8" and putting it back in the front of the valve, dropping a light spring of appropriate diameter and length in on top of the check and then dropping a small washer into the valve.The washer must be small enough to fit in the valve, but large . Read this post:/blog/2006/1/adjustable-scope-mounts/. They are pure lead and will not harm your barrel. This is the second time I have answered this question and the third time you have asked it. Take two. for answering all my questions. Remember that the .22 has more selection in pellets. Copyright 2019 - Air Gun Maniac, Best Air Rifle Reviews & Buying Guides Air Gun Maniac, Best Air Rifles Under $200 Top 5 budget guns for, Synthetic vs Wood Stock: The Final Showdown Between Brunette And Blonde, Best Air Rifles for Pest Control Top 10 effective guns, The Bunny Buster: Best Air Rifle For Rabbits (Reviews and Buying, Best .22 Air Rifles Top 10 fantastic guns for the. The AS392T is a CO2 rifle that gets just over 600 f.p.s. It can be purchased new for around $160. Yesturday, I sighted in (at 20 yards) using the basic crosman field pointed pellets from walmart, and the crosman destroyers. I bought a Benjamin 392 in 1975 and still have it today. Have you heard of a custom Talon SS that is supposed to be coming out that is super quiet? The BAM B30 in .22 sounds like just what you want. I think this website and forum is honestly the best place on the net to discuss airguns. Just shot a 3/4 in group at 25 yds inside the paint im good to go now. I have a Benjamin Model 342 that I got as a kid in the early 70s. Do I need theB272 inter mount? The 392 should hold a charge for hours, though it is not recommended to do that. If it makes a pop, dont overpump it again. I was just curious with well placed shots of course, what type of hunting capabilites could the 397 handle within the 10-20yard range. but have no idea where to start looking for someone whos fammiliar with them. The culprit is the intermounts. I have looked at the the RWS Diannnas, and found a youth model,#34 (?!?) Which do you think would be more accurate, Beemans or Crosmans or JSBs? I do have a concern with jarring the scope by the constant pumping, so I put a piece of 1/2 X 1/8 weather stripping on the inside of the fore arm stock. Heavier mass takes more force to accelerate, which equals more time. Buy one or more of these guns. I have owned and tested a Steroid Streak. Since the Talon is light weight which would help me with my injured back and abdomen I wouldnt want to add a lot of weight with the scope. I have tried quite a few prototype peep sights and I wasnt getting very good results with them (loose, wobbly, etc.). At the first glance, the product images tell us that it has the same handsome, classic look. Im confident that a shot to the head on rabbits with a .177 caliber pellet rifle will kill them. Pyramyd sells it. Maybe 104-106 decibels. I removed the factory rear sight and added a Williams peep sight, took the rifle outside and proceeded to punch bulls-eyes. One thing to remember here is you need the scope with long eye relief and the scope must be positioned at a far distance from your eyes. Thats a common error. Over the years, we've gained a sterling reputation for crafting rugged air guns that are both functional and beautiful. and pumping the gun up so as to get its max distance would be annoying and my arm would get tired after a few shots. Then I purchased a BSA classic scope from Wal-mart. Do you have these problems? The rear sight is fully adjustable for windage adjustment(allowing you to adjust the sight left and right). It has good power, and yes it is very loud out of the box, but that lessens the more you shoot it. I know you said never to clean the Benjis,so dont get mad at me, but in my experience, Ive found that periodical (once a year is plenty) cleanning with a little, and I mean a drop of Kleen-Bore gun oil on the screw side a rifle mop will clean the leading build-up inside the barrel without getting any oil into the air valve hole. The reason we invented this scope mount is to solve the breech separation issue, and it's a BIG issue. 7.9 grains seems to be the magic weight for this rifle so far, the preds are around 8.2 grains resulting in the drop off,.I guess!!! It belonged to one of my uncles and the only thing I know about the gun is that it dates back to the early 1940s. That keeps the valves closed against dirt. I have stumbled upon them before, but i didnt really think id use them alot. The price for the Benjamin 392 multi-pump air gun is about $150. I have a Benjamin model 342 Air Rifle in need of repair. Yes, the 392 is too hard for a 14 year-old, unless hes a bodybuilder. The plastic appears to be very robust with the look of blued steel. When you say Kodiaks, do you mean BEEMAN .22 Kodiak Extra Heavy pellets? Ive had the best results using crosman ammo. And, NO, an IZH 61 SHOULD NOT be used on animals! As far as pest (squirrel) control goes, and assuming an identical-to-comparable level of shooter accuracy between guns, what is a better bet: a higher FPS .177, or a lower FPS .22 ? It will group an inch at 50 yards on a relatively calm day. Stuff is getting blurry. But since my 397 has very special nostagic meaning to me, Ill be ordering another venturi mount asap. the rear sight has broken off. Theres another one of those stickers on it!!! Benjamin Airguns- Model 392 Bolt Action .22 Pump Air Rifle. Comes with a crossbolt safety for safe handling. When it goes bang, thats a detonation.). It has never been resealed. It will take some time for what happens next. Thank you for your quick response. A 392/397 should be okay pumped up all the way for a day. Give it a try. the co2 tanks cost almost ten dollars i see, is there an alternative? It will take some time for what happens next. Moreover, hardwood can be refinished easily at any time so it has a very long lifespan. Thank you very much for your time.-Robert. Can you recommend any particular blog on the 3/8 inch dovetail rail mount installation? the elevation screw is almost compleatley out of the hole in the sight. Gotcha. the shadow is a likely possibility though. Its very small and lightweight. Also the bolt feels gritty as it slides during loading, and this thing hasnt had a chance to get dirty yet. But the trigger gets harder to pull with each pump stroke you put in. Made in the USA. It seems to be shooting very well, but I was wondering what I should do to test the sights to see if they are adjusted correctly. Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:07 am . The entire top of the gun is one long rail, so yes, just get rings with 11mm clamps on their bases. But just a tad of oil mind you. Joined: Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:33 am Posts: 7 . Adjust the elevation until you hit the target. Classic design meets modern technology!For decades, all Benjamin stocks were made of American walnut, a relatively fast-growing hardwood that has adequate strength for rifle stocks. I like my Crosman 140 and its cousin the Benjamin 392. This gun has a lot of potential to become your favorite gun for hours of fun with target shooting. The only upside is that it is a very accurate rifle. 3. The numbers quoted are just numbers. i know that i will be able to pump up the gun, and i still dont want the co2 392, my mom is trying to get an izh 61 or benjamin 392 for me for Christmas (she found a Benjamin 392 but she couldnt see the pump handle! Crosman also has ceased production of their .20 caliber Premier pellet, so there is one less great pellet for the Blue Streak. So if you insist to use the scope on this gun, you will need either Crosman 3/8 Intermount or the Air Venturi Weaver/Picatinny Intermount. But most of the time I shoot standing on back patio five yards back,.hang with me BB, Im going somewhere with this ok. With a couple of cement blocks and a 44 of western cedar, I line up four water filled aluminum cans 6 apart, with those little bright orange stickers you see in the produce section at the grocery store, slapped right in the middle of them. bb,i just recieved an older blue streak from my grandfather. Hi B.B. Either would be better than what Ive got now. i then tried different techniques which didnt group well. If it pops, you just released the extra air. Airgun Slug BC Variability And Projectile Weight, New Air Venturi Avenge-X Stars At 2023 SHOT Show, Western Airguns Sidewinder Air Rifle Test Review .22 Caliber, H&N Baracuda 15 Pellet Test Review .22 Caliber, Diana Stormrider PCP Air Rifle Test Review .177 Caliber. Similar . Oddly enough, I went to the Crosman website, and neither of its newest 392 or 397 manuals have the lateral sight instructions. For example, as an Amazon Associate, HAM earns from qualifying purchases if you buy by clicking-through from that link. Benjamin 392S .22-Caliber Bolt Action Variable Pump Air Rifle, Black. I purchased the Benjamin 392 Commerative. My choice is the Williams peep sight. Which ones should i try out? RE: Crosman 392 PA advice. Well, the Silver Streak would have brighter sights. But I would have really liked the Webley even if it was just for some casual plinking. B.B.,I am a typical newbie that needs a inexpensive rifle to take care of some pests but also would like something that will be accurate, well made and fun to use. I read you own the .20 cal and a .22 cal of something pricier? its a petty good idea how he did it.is he selling the kit he used to accomplished that,just wondering. Its not my place to say whether you can shoot in the house or not. or is circular more easily drilled, and that is why factories do that? Let us know. A long time ago I switched to flat-faced bullets for my smoke rifles after seeing the difference they make when hitting animals. This gun is one that truly harkens back to the good old days. Even when Crosman bought Benjamin, they left the quality alone. These birds are a little large for a 392, though it can do the job in a pinch. Do you use the B-Square mount in conjunction with the b272? Very nice! You are welcome to post questions or comments on the current blog where literally thousands of people willingly give you the benefit of their knowledge and experience. I was looking at the RWS 48 and 350, but already owning three Gamos, I didnt want to spend another $500-600 when all was said and done (scope, mounts, etc.). For most people, that would be 15-25 yards. I cant say enough about this rifle. New, All-weather synthetic Stock and fore grip, DURABLE - Synthetic all-weather stock and foregrip, VARIABLE PUMP - Control the range of speed. problem solved!! Will the replacement seal kit sold on pyramid air fix this or is there anything else i will need? But at 650 f.p.s., it will do fine. Works great and quiets the slapping sound/impact on the barrel a good bit. so ive got eight pumps worth of air in the gun and the pump handle is open. The 39X series of guns are made primarily of brass, and soldered together. Yes, you can pump the Benjamin. would it even work with airguns? or a light very accurate rifle such as the izh 61. Introduced under the Sheridan brand, the Model C Silver Streak had a level of power and performance which was unmatched at that time. thx for all the help, too, and, ironicaly, ur help really helped me. I pumped each shot up to 5 pumps. has written (B.B. I would restrict the range to 25 yards. Yes this gun will make a pop. I answered this question on the other post you attached it to. This Item Is Discontinued Check Out Similar Available Products. It goes way beyond airguns. This is a job best left to a qualifies airgunsmith like Mac-1 or Bryan & Associates. Will that work too or should I get some pellgunoil? I own a 397 and I am pleased with everything about it. P.S. hollow point? One thing I have noticed is that the B-Square mount seems to angle downward, as in the plane of the scope base is not parallel to the barrel. It will then be replaced by the rumored 7.0-liter 426 cubic-inch HEMI SRT V8 codenamed "Banshee" sometime around the 2021 model year. Im surprised at how accurate this gun is for me! Push the bolt handle forward into its position. Ive done some more looking and have come across the Beeman SS1000, and it seems like a great deal. The groups are nice and tight, just in the wrong place. The buttstock is built far to high to get any kind of sight picture. craigslist.com has no towns in the area that my parents will drive to, and garage sales are also bereft of bb guns of any kind. Hard Air Magazine is a Trademark of Archer Airguns Inc. No spam, only great airgun news and deals. I would highly recommend this air rifle to any adult looking for quiet power to hunt small game. Thank u for your help. First, it handles a scope better and it sounds to me like you have your heart set on a scope. I think 7.9 grains if okay. Pumping action is hard for shooters with weak arms, Pumping action can be tedious experience at some points. In fact, thats what I do and my Sheridan Blue Streak was new in 1978. This is really highly accurate gun for under 50 yards. I bought a new bolt, cleaned the paint and recrowned the barrel. But the rewards will be good indeed! An American classic gets an update with the synthetic-stocked Benjamin 392S/397S multi-pump pneumatic Air rifle series. It was an awesome gun and always outperformed all the neighbors 0.177 Cal Crosman or Daisy guns. You mention the 397 but quote the weight of a .22 caliber pellet (15.8 grains). I know the only difference is the caliber. 2. Thanks B.B. What would you recommend as the best air rifle. Any recommendations. Thus I am interested in possibly getting the power upgraded somewhere down the line so that I can bag chucks at longer ranges without worrying that the shots wont be lethal. When I get used to plinking with the IZH-61 Ill move to insects, grasshoppers invade our area in the summer, and i think theyre pests, and my parents gave me permission.. so. When you close the pump handle, make your pumping hand flat to keep fingers out of the way. We just want to do a little pest control and not spend a lot of money on something we dont need. I did have a few BB guns as a kid but was not all that interested other than making a serious dent in the cottonmouth population in my small hometown. I paid $35 plus shipping a few years back to have this man fix a pneumatic for me: Thanks BB before I send off the old guns where can I buy the Pellgunoil to try it first where in the local stores here in San Antonio? Thanks for the information on it which helped make my decision to purchase F Nash. accuracy shouldnt be affected, but the velocity would change with the temp. 1, and this is something I can get over, Id the edges on the actual pump. Thank you for all of the great info contained in this Blog. Sure you can use your scopes! Im looking at getting a good multi pump rifle for squirrel hunting. If you need assistance, contact our technicians at 888-262-4867, ext. My priorties are mainly accuracy, balance, and quality. If I had gone to the local sporting goods store with my lack of knowledge there is no telling what I might have bought. I used my plastic-head hammer to tap the rear sight toward the breech and it slipped off. Poor womans 411!! Webley is a great name in spring guns. Would you choose the Air Venturi or B-Square intermount? If I was to miss the squirrel, there no chance on this good green earth for a quick second shot. Classic pistols that have been discontinued. Ill look through this blog and see if I can find it. I need your recommendation for a pellet for larger animals like the grey fox and for smaller targets like crows. Thanks again. Also I am living in NJ and I am forced to shoot indoors I have a 55 foot+ range with cement walls do you think this rifle is too powerfull to shoot indoors? At the top of this page in the right-hand column, under the About Me section, notice the underlined words, Pyramyd Air Home. For more on the differences between .177 & .22 and which jobs they do best, see this post. Should I store it with a pump or two of air in it? The looks of both guns are very similar, but this model has more to offer. I sent in three yesterday, and they arent showing up. The dot sight ia not faulty, the mount is slanted down. Reviewed in the United States on December 22, 2022, I love this gun. I plan on using the open sight and not mounting a scope on this rifle.It did need some cleaning up from the box, the metal needed a good rub down and I lightly oiled the stock and rubbed it down and now it is beautiful. bbhow about for hunting, is the Field Target Special still good? are great pellets that sometimes surprise everyone. Comes as complete outfit with a built-in sound moderator, 3-9x40 AO scope and sling swivels. Use one hand to hold firmly on the stock and use another hand to open the forearm all the way up until it stops. However, I still like the idea of his Steriod treatmen. As I recall, you have to lever it out of the solder joint, and it may be hard to put back. I wish you could change the word verification on this system because its a real pain telling the difference between the lower case letters and the capitols. They arent made well for it. Thanks.Dav. You might ask Crosman, who owns the Benjamin company. This is a solidly made single-shot, bolt-action, .22 caliber, multi-stroke pneumatic air rifle. Only time will tell. Rick WillneckerRick is in Pennsylvania, where he repairs vintage and modern Crosman, Benjamin and Sheridan guns. You cannot go wrong with this gun: its sturdy, reliable, durable, recoilless, and is built to last for years with very little maintenance. A heart shot on 8 pumps will drop a rabbit in his tracks at 30 yards. When I place my cheek down to look at my sights theres about one inch of barrel visible between the front and rear sights. you can check the manual for the benjamin if you go to https://www.pyramydair.com/ scroll to the bottom of the screen, and look under customer support(its in the beige colored rectangle). Hi Nick,Thanks for your comments on the Benjamin 392. Or I could just be a bad shot. But then again, I am most certain that I am not the best of shot, and many of the groupings could have been better with a different shooter! The 392 has a knock-open valve whose trigger remains the same always. Thanks for the recommendation B.B. One problem though. PS: It looks just like my Blue Streak 1974 model serial 014454 that has never failed me. Hold it on top of the barrel at that point. The other two are spring guns that require a lot of shooting technique to use. Benjamin 392 Pump Action Air Rifle .22 Caliber. He rights a daily blog at https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/ every Mon-Fri where alot of good people answer questions, share information, etc. Ive tried everything from turning the mount backwards and cantilevering it up with the scope-stop screww to shimming under one ring of the mount to compensate the difference, and still off a mile. thank you so much b.b. Earlier last year, you answered a 397 question about sighting that I dont quite understand. how many pumps would it take to kill a rat at close range? The solution for this is to drill the holes larger and tap them with larger threads. The barrel is rifled. Post subject: Benjamin Crosman 397, 392, new and old versions? Thanks for all your help BB. I like the finish on the silver streak but the 20 cal pellets arent locally available so thats a bit of a limitation. Yesterday I disassembled the whole scope/mount and started over. I say that because there are MANY rifles equivalent to the 392. 35 shooter. Smoothness allows for good velocity and accuracy without a lot of after-rifling work. I know they do offer services like mounting scopes, so there is a strong possibility they will mount this sight for you. with a .22 firearm. If you do it yourself you learn more about yourself and the gun you are using. i had my mom pick up Daisy Precision Max Flatnose Pellets at a local store, these are the only .22 pellets sold in my town. Webley was unable to provide the spec for Weblube when we asked, therefore I cannot recommend it. I have a problem with my benjamin multi pump. Also, will you be reviewing the Gamo Whisper springer when it arrives in August? Fix your Benjamin or Sheridan pneumatic at home! Therefore, having a brass barrel is a huge advantage that can make your gun last for years. It needs a rebuild and refinish. A rifled barrel makes abullet spin. When you close the pump arm, that compresses it. For metal-to-metal contact, regular lubricating oil is best. They are more trouble to install, but they do lock up tight. Monte Carlo stock has lots of advantages including: The Benjamin 392 uses a .22 pellet as its only ammo. It just won't fit my face properly to use open sights. This is even with the elevation screw adjusted all the way out until it isnt in contact with the metal below. Gamos take thousands of shots to become really good and smooth, while a Weihrauch breaks in in about 1,000 shots. In other words, what is the step-by-step to center the sighting from left to right? That along with B.B. 4.4 average based on 9 product ratings. With these pellets and the peep sight, I can consistently get a half inch group at 35 feet. Keep the rifle pointed in a safe direction all the time you do this. I believe I will get the Talon SS and add a longer barrel later if necessary. I was suprised to find that the predators gave me a .75group at 10 yards. The question then arises, with my current stock gun, what do you think is the maximum range that a pellet could penetrate a chucks skull? Thwap! I now advocate using the Air Venturi cantilever scope base. This model was marketed under the Benjamin name from 1994-1998. You dont TYPE links! oh and that izh 61 looks really good too, i remembered something about the izh in ur blogs and went looking for it. Thanks!Jackson. Many inexpensive peep sights ate mostly plastic, so charge on! Thinking 5-6 pumps should be about right? document.getElementById("ak_js_1").setAttribute("value",(new Date()).getTime()); Ethan Smith is a seasoned marine veteran, professional blogger, witty and edgy writer, and an avid hunter. Jay,Since I posted, I have figured out how the rear sights attached, removed them, and got the peep sight working perfectly! Or more specifically, how high should the peep hole be from the (top?) This is called Kentucky windage. Thanks also for recommending leaving a pump of air in these types of guns I have an older Crosman 1377 that I started doing that with only after reading about it on your blog. Yes, itsd a good domed pellet, which is fine for hunting. I hope owners of these guns will comment on how much they enjoy them. Shoot for the brain and only as far as you can hit a quarter every time. Does the crosman 1400 and Benjamin 392 share the same pump system. Insomniac gave you a great answer. 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